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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #201

Art is reminding us of what the manufacture has said regarding the risk. All of us should take it seriously.	hammer OFFLINE Platinum Max Posts: 2894 Thank you received: 1104
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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #202

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Wow, this really sucks. I had mine done about a month ago and the only riding I was able to do was the trip home from the dealership, about 35 miles. Now it will sit in my garage for the remainder of the Winter!! One thing I noticed when I got home that day was the smell of oil burning. I investigated and noticed some residual oil that dripped down to the exhaust pipe and that's what I was smelling. I'm assuming this was just what escaped during the recall and didn't notice an abundance of wet oil anywhere else. I notified my dealer and he told me to keep an eye on it. I'm now worried that come Spring I might start having issues as mentioned here and may not get covered since it sat for so long!! Damn it anyway!!

1) I understand your concern and that sort of thinking should be the "Norm" amongst all of us that have already had the fix done...for those that have stated that "all is well with no problems" with a definite tone in their posts may want to think again...

2)It has already been shown by the ones that have failed after the fix, that the problem(s) may not occur for many, many miles after they ride off from their dealers...

3)Lastly, not to scare anyone here but it IS possible for FULL SEIZURE of the engine if some of that broken gear got wedged back behind the clutch basket or elsewhere in there causing the whole assembly to stop rotating...for those that believe it couldn't happen...well...won't go there...but...

Just some food for thought...

Art

There was some good information to consider in your post, but a lot of it was just inflammatory and unhelpful while contributing to the hysteria and paranoia surrounding the recall. I don't usually get involved in heated forum exchanges, but the numbered comments above really, really rubbed me the wrong way this evening.

1) How/why are you detecting "a definite tone in their posts" just because others have claimed "all is well"? I think (assume) most/all of us that have had it done with "no issues" are leaving the YET or SO FAR left unsaid. Most of us (I'm assuming again) are still nervous/tense about it and may be "whistling through the graveyard" with our collective fingers crossed, but the thoughts/worries of a pending catastrophe are still there. I see no need to inflame them any further.

2) How many miles constitutes "many, many miles after they ride off from their dealers"? 50? 100? 1000? How many miles would you have to ride before you waved the "all clear" flag?

3) Claiming that you're not trying to scare anyone and then making a statement like that (although factual) IS going to scare the dookie out of some people and you DID "go there" and it only increases the fear factor rather than lowering it.

Can we all just pull back a little with these sorts of comments and try not to contribute to the sense of fear around here? No offense Art, just my 2 cents. (And if you are offended, I'm sorry, but me throwing the "no offense" disclaimer out there wasn't helpful, was it?)

Scott

Scott,
Your points are well taken...

On your point-1;
Don't take it so personally...I was only trying to get everyone's attention to be more cautious about making statements in posts, immediately after picking up their bikes with the new pump installed saying that they have absolutely no problems when they only rode their bikes for 5-10 miles or less...that is what the four people that now have had problems were also saying...I believe that everyone needs to be aware that there were problems and just keep an eye on their machines...

I had and do not have any intentions of inflaming the situation...that is the furthest from my intentions of my post...

Lets face it, if you or anyone feels that they personally are good to go...that's fine...

On point-2;
I have absolutely no idea and I don't think anyone else can say for sure either...when we got the first two reported failures...it was only a few miles but now we are getting reports of much more...in the range of 50-70 miles...and I can see that happening, depending upon how the tech installed the pump assembly incorrectly...

On your point-3;
I understand where you are coming from...and that's fine...that is your stance and I can appreciate that...and if it scared anyone...well...won't go there but I believe that a simple recheck by pulling the clutch cover and making sure that everything looks aligned is not such a big thing to do, just to be sure...if anyone feels that there is no need in their personal cases, that's fine too...

And so Scott...I am not taking offense to your counter-post and can only hope that you can do the same...

Art

None taken. I was simply pointing out that I found the statements were unnecessarily inflammatory. Compare the wording used in your two posts and I think you'll agree that the second got the same (very valid) point across without adding to the sense of unease we all have regarding the recall repairs that have been done or are about to be done. Good common sense advice minus the worst case scenario results is far more productive.

Thanks,

Scott

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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #203

The last post by hirevn made me think of something. To hiren's point, if anything becomes misaligned inside the case, it could interfere with the oil pump gear. Do you guys think that the reuse of the old clutch basket bolts could be contributing to the problem? If the old bolts are failing, I think it is possible that some part of the assembly could come in contact with the oil pump gear. We know the original bolts are soft and have been updated to a new part number. I had a set of new bolts on hand and I gave them to my tech for reassembly. It could be coincidence but I did not have any issues with my bike and I have 100 miles of testing since the update.
I know others updated the bolts and I don't think any of those bike had a problem. Something to ponder and maybe an additional margin of safety for those who have not done the update yet.

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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #204

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The last post by hirevn made me think of something. To hiren's point, if anything becomes misaligned inside the case, it could interfere with the oil pump gear. Do you guys think that the reuse of the old clutch basket bolts could be contributing to the problem? We know the original bolts are soft and have been updated to a new part number. I had a set of new bolts on hand and I gave them to my tech for reassembly. It could be coincidence but I did not have any issues with my bike and I have 100 miles of testing since the update.
I know others updated the bolts and I don't think any of those bike had a problem. Something to ponder and maybe an additional margin of safety for those who have not done the update yet.

No. The clutch bolts hold the plates and spring(s) in place, inside the basket. There is a nut that secures the basket in place.

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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #205

If I may say.....It's great to have gentlemenly discussion(s). We all have concerns. I see, for the most part, this iz a fairly uncomplicated, in & out procedure. Unfortunately a few of us have suffered. Itz a bummer.... I cringe at how it could turn out 'per-dealer'. Hopefully this site and information will help set a precedent for US to present and be represented at our corresponding dealers.

Hope those glitches are resolved Appropriately... :yeah:

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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #206

I don't think the 6 clutch bolts would have anything to do with the problem as they are just holding the plates and springs for the inner clutch hub in place ( if I am saying this right). My opinion is its the big outer clutch basket that has the ring gear and gear that drives the oil pump, the basket is installed on the big shaft with large nut. It is even noted in the recall instructions to pay close attention to the gear alignment when the basket is reinstalled.
On a side note this is just my opinion from working in the industry for about 20 years before I got out and went in to the oil industry. I have never worked on a vmax yet so just pulling this from experience and haven't even owned a bike for the last 10 years so pretty rusty these days lol. My back ground came from mostly BMW,Triumph,Ducati and Honda.

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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #207

Just curious. Given the assembly diagram above, which gear meshes with the oil pump gear?	NH_Max NOW ONLINE Fresh Max Posts: 33 Thank you received: 7
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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #208

NH_Max wrote: Just curious. Given the assembly diagram above, which gear meshes with the oil pump gear? #22	VMaxGuru OFFLINE Site Sponsor Posts: 961 Thank you received: 1321
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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #209

docrok wrote:

If I may say.....It's great to have gentlemenly discussion(s). We all have concerns. I see, for the most part, this iz a fairly uncomplicated, in & out procedure. Unfortunately a few of us have suffered. Itz a bummer.... I cringe at how it could turn out 'per-dealer'. Hopefully this site and information will help set a precedent for US to present and be represented at our corresponding dealers.

Hope those glitches are resolved Appropriately... :yeah:

Just to quote docrok
This forum has got to be the best of the best of all forums I have ever been part of. Just great friendly people here and even if someone disagrees it never seems to go down hill in to a pissing match with hurt feelings. I am a member of several other forums for my hot rods, drag racing, etc and this place tops them all! I think being a member here will just enhance my new owner experience with this VMAX, the only bad thing is being a lone max owner in Alaska will never be able to meet up with any of you for a ride.

Sorry for my rambling, back on topic.

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Re: Oil Pump Recall HORROR has Happened!! 1 year 5 months ago #210

hirevn wrote:

docrok wrote:

If I may say.....It's great to have gentlemenly discussion(s). We all have concerns. I see, for the most part, this iz a fairly uncomplicated, in & out procedure. Unfortunately a few of us have suffered. Itz a bummer.... I cringe at how it could turn out 'per-dealer'. Hopefully this site and information will help set a precedent for US to present and be represented at our corresponding dealers.

Hope those glitches are resolved Appropriately... :yeah:

Just to quote docrok
This forum has got to be the best of the best of all forums I have ever been part of. Just great friendly people here and even if someone disagrees it never seems to go down hill in to a pissing match with hurt feelings. I am a member of several other forums for my hot rods, drag racing, etc and this place tops them all! I think being a member here will just enhance my new owner experience with this VMAX, the only bad thing is being a lone max owner in Alaska will never be able to meet up with any of you for a ride.

Sorry for my rambling, back on topic.

Yes, and I personally find this forum 1/3 the fun of having a Max!!

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