Who did the planning and fabrication on your header?
TB

TB...DiMax's exhaust is made by DAM, one of the top of the line exhaust manufacturers in Europe.

If you look at most of the European Max's made into the streetfighter look, they all have them on.

Great sound and very big performance,

Chris

It is beautiful craftmanship! Dimmax...how much do they cost?

First of all: thanks TB21 for starting this topic. I didn't want to hijack the other thread.

To keep a bit track of the discussion, I'll reply on all the comments to my best effort. I'll use the comments given in the other thread as well (see here) and copy paste them into thisone.

Bad_Max wrote:
Sorry, my bad. You're correct indeed; apples to oranges...

Bad_Max wrote:
Thanks for the compliment. However, all due respect goes to DAM Exhaust as they are the designers of this pipe

I can't say much about the price yet. My bike was used for R&D and install the proto-types. In fact, the pipe I have now is more or less a tryout as well. Based on the results of thisone, others will be made.
As you might know, building a first piece is very cost intensive. If I would pay for all the hours spent into this R&D it would become very expensive. Due to the relationship I have with DAM Exhaust we had a agreement on pricing for my pipe. You know how it goes; they use my bike for R&D, I test it for them, they create the pipe,... Efforts from both sides...
I can promise I'll post the prices as soon as I have them.

rafter wrote:
That's indeed correct; the dyno charts used on their website are those of my bike which I posted some time ago on this forum.
(I'll post the charts, including the baseline, again in this thread)

TB21 wrote:
I'm not an exhaust-technician. Can't give any comment on that I assume scavenging is all about the flow? I can tell you though that the first proto-types failed just because of a bad airflow. The results of those were the basis for the current pipe I have.

TB21 wrote:
They will be indeed become available, including US.
As a part of quality delivery, in the past DAM Exhaust didn't send the pipes to customers, they were all personally mounted by themselves on your bike. There for they only had 'all inclusive' prices only. For this pipe DAM Exhaust is aware of the fact there aren't that many 09 Max's in Belgium and he will need to start shipping them. As a result, there will be 2 prices; 1 mounted by them, the other is shipped price (where prices will vary depending on location)

TB21 wrote:
Just to be clear on this: I never said (and I will never do) that the other pipes offered by others are bad pipes. I'm sure those guys know what they talk about and what they're doing. I never doubted any craftmanship of anyone on this site.

Since I had my pipe hand-crafted for my Gen1 and I was very pleased with it I went back to DAM Exhaust for my Gen2. DAM Exhaust on their side were very happy to have the 09 Max for R&D so they could become the first ones on the local European market with 09 Max exhaust system.

m25443 wrote:
I did post the baseline on this forum before. Som emight have not seen it so I'll post it again
I fully agree you need a baseline before any changes are applied. That has been and will always be the way I do these kind of things.

So what I did is I had a run in stock condition. This is the chart:



I took this chart as the baseline for any performance changes to come.
A little side note:

My bike is one of those that are limited to 100hp by factory. It has been changed to an unlimited 200hp version by grounding a cable and programming the ECU, the procedure has been posted on this form as well (very same as with the R1 by the way) This might explain the differences in performance....

Once the DAM Exhaust has been installed I did another run on the dyno to compare. These are the charts:

The DAM Exhaust installed:


Compared with the previous chart:


I didn't keep the charts of the 2 prototypes in between as they were really bad All they could tell us is that the prototype was a no-go

m25443 wrote:
Thanks for the compliment, but then again: all credits go to DAM Exhaust

This wasn't a one off and DAM Exhaust is surely interested in selling more (as stated above)

VmaxOZ wrote:
I'm sure the numbers are correct. I fully trust the guys from the bike tuning shop for the reasons stated in the (almost hijacked) post earlier.
The tuning shop I go to is: Bike Repair Colpaert: info about their dyno (in dutch)
They also have a racing team: BRC racing team website (in dutch)
Those guys really earned respect in the tuning-world. They don't fake numbers or anything of that sort... In fact, they are even recommended by many dealers, including my Yamaha dealer.
Note: I'm not posting these links for any other reason than being as complete as possible with all information I can provide

VmaxOZ wrote:
I second that!
The tucked away view of the X-pipe is very very nice!
To be honest, I don't like the side view either and DAM Exhaust doesn't either...
That's why I was saying this pipe is still a tryout version. The flow is right, the performance is right, the looks are not that ok yet. Now that this pipe has proven the most important things such as a good airflow and performance, it will slighty change in looks. there's still room left under the bike to bend the pipe more up. To tuck it away a bit more, if not completely...

VmaxOZ wrote:
I agree. However, I think it's only fair to give as much info as possible for those interested. That's my way of contributing to this forum, like others contribute to this site in a great extend as well.

VmaxOZ wrote:
Oh, I do, trust me Not sure about the safe part though

TB21 wrote:
DAM Exhaust did, David to be exact





Cruzin wrote:
I couldn't agree more. I'm happy someone else is underpinning my statement

Cruzin wrote:
Indeed Cruzin!
The beauty about this the fact they are all hand-made based on the customers' wishes. You decide weither you want to have them big, small, thick, slim, carbon look or not, etc etc. You can tell DAM Exhaust what kind of sound you're after and they will recommend you the right size and shape.

Cruzin wrote:
Thanks!
Hope you don't mind I won't repeat my answer on this question? You can find all cost-related info in this post


All this being said, I hope I gave as much info as I could
If not, or when you have more/other questions/comments, please don't hesitate. I have nothing to gain by holding back info or even lie about things. I only want to contribute to this forum without puting someone in a corner or even breaking down efforts of anyone on this forum. Can't be clear enough on this


I will, as stated earlier, contact another dyno. I won't choose any, I will do some research first. In my quest to find one, I'll look for a dyno which has nothing to gain to lie about numbers. There's many dyno's out here which are only used by regular guys to show numbers. Those dyno's are indeed on the happy side as big numbers is the only thing that counts. So I'll look for a trustworthy dyno. Will post the results in this thread once I have them (not sure when that will be)


I hope this helps...

*- DiMMaX out -*

DiMMaX
Thanks for answering the questions.
I would like to be updated on the price and avalibility of the header when you know more.
I don't know if I'd be interested or not as Im 100% pleased with the UFO Catsass exhaust I have ordered and it looks much better in my opinion , but Im always willing to try something new and competition is always good for the performance industry.
Later TB

TB21 wrote:No problem at all!

TB21 wrote:
I will update this post as soon as this info becomes available.
I forgot to mention that DAM Exhaust doesn't deal with distributors. They never did in the past (even though they got many many requests) Meaning that they only do business with customers not with shops of any kind. That's by the way the reason why DAM is very strickt about which pictures to post... Another reason why being so strickt is because the pipes are not really finished yet (see my info on the looks in my previuous posting)

They might change their strategy about dealing with shops, especially at the other side of the pond. Negotiations and stuff is allready going on. Again; I'll update as soon as more info becomes available

TB21 wrote:
I fully understand this statement. If you're happy with what you've bought, then stick with it. I'm sure it's a nice pipe you got there

And competition is indeed always a good thing. All manufacturers can learn from each other in their benefit and the customers' benefit. Win-win

*- DiMMaX out -*

Thanks for the "exhaustive" information you have gathered in this message DiMMaX.

It seems we have another option here and it all depends on how the final product comes out to the market, it can succeed or fail.... Depending on the price it could be an interesting option for us in Europe since we wouldn't have to pay import duties.
I think we all agree that the side view must be "fixed" since that piece of pipe hanging there is just not on.
The finishing of the product is also very important and in this case the US options seem to have an advantage with the ceramic coating they master so well.
Performance to me is of the most importance, since otherwise I might as well leave it as it is, so if this design proves to deliver more than most, that will tip the balance towards this option.

One thing is clear, the more offers and options we VMX17 owners get, the better for us in ALL respects.

I don't think I can recall a better forum than this one with regards to receiving fresh, just out of the oven information on how our machine works and how it can be made quicker or a lot faster plus the cosmetic bits and bobs which are to some extent common to other forums.

I´m not going to start mentioning names or workshops, because I´m sure I would forget about some and that would not be fair; the fact is we all know who they are, so I thank them all for their work/sacrifice in further developing the most wonderful bike I have ever owned.

Thank you all (and keep-up the good work.... )....the Guru included....

Spanish Flyer

SpanishFlyer wrote:
Hahaha, nice phrasing there

SpanishFlyer wrote:
Yep, indeed.
I've been testing this exhaust for a few weeks now and I didn't want to post anything about it yet as it was not 100% finished.

SpanishFlyer wrote:
Exactely

SpanishFlyer wrote:
Yep, we all agree on thatone. Including myself and even DAM

SpanishFlyer wrote:
Oh yes indeed! I love the finishing of the other pipes offered on this forum! It's very nice craftmanship indeed.
And 'having and advantage' is a relative expression in my opinion. For some the looks are the main important thing, for others it's all about the performance. Other might have the sound as a decisionpoint whereas again others might look for the right balance between all of these things...
That's what makes this so interesting. All manufactures have their own focus and strategy, I love it!

SpanishFlyer wrote:
We seem to think alike when it comes to this
That's why I'm riding around with thisone. I prefer performance as well.
But then again, that's personal taste/opinion, others might think different.

SpanishFlyer wrote:
Couldn't have said it better

*- DiMMaX out -*

DiMMaX wrote:I see the baseline figure is high

DiMMaX -

Thanks for the detailed information and re-posting the baseline and current dyno runs. Very helpful.

Experimenting like you are doing is a big part of the fun for me. I'd like to try on about 20 different mufflers on my Xpipe and see which one gives me the sound I want and still keeping the hp & tq up. But, my wife would have a complete melt down if I "wasted" all that money, so I count on folks like yourself to experiment and share. Bad_Max's exhaust thread of various mufflers is super. I hope you'll post a sound clip as well.

Mike